[discuss] Continuation of problem no. 1 specification, and what could be next steps

Mon Jan 27 05:20:48 UTC 2014

Avri,

national arrangements in telecommunications networks are indeed a key for
access to the Internet. Pricing, availability, playing with network
neutrality, censorship, etc. are all in play.

But there is litle that *global* Internet governance can do in this field,
because it's at least one layer too low, and because of the entrenchment of
all that comes with national arrangements: laws, monopolies, collusion...

Best course yet is to have a new round of ICAIS-like discussions in the
ITU's SG-3 and see if in a new decade a new approach has emerged. In the
meantime for some countries skipping that and going to the WTO seems to
have had more effect by introducing some competition. And in turn this
leaves unsolved the cases of market failure like countries too small, and
connected only through long and expensive fibers, to sustain vivid
competiton, nor to allow for subsidies.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We get back to these questions:
>
> -  But does its effect on the Internet impact society differently?
> -  Are the ways in which it affects the Internet different in any way?
>
> If either answer is 'maybe' or 'don't know' then I think it is an object
> for Ig study.
>
> And if either is 'yes' then I think it is an object for Ig debate,
> recommendations and advocacy.
>
> avri
>
> On 26-Jan-14 23:54, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>> Avri,
>>
>> Because it doesn't only affect the Internet.
>>
>> Regards
>>     Brian
>>
>> On 27/01/2014 08:55, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While it may not be an issue at the International level of Internet
>>> governance, something I still don't fully accept, it may relevant at the
>>> regional or national levels of Ig.  In so far as there are specific
>>> issues with regards to the Internet  and how it, within the marketplace,
>>> is regulated in a country, why isn't it a national Ig issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see why correcting the "domestic market (mis)regulation"  for
>>> some defintion of mis [free market excess, central state control,
>>> negligence, ...] isn't the epitome of a Internet governance issue at the
>>> national and perhaps trade treaty level.
>>>
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 26-Jan-14 14:18, S Moonesamy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>> At 09:14 26-01-2014, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That paper is interesting, but both it and your own argument lead me
>>>>> towards the view that this is not a matter of Internet governance at
>>>>> all, but an issue of domestic market (mis)regulation.  I don't see how
>>>>> we can fix that and I'm also not sure it would be correct for us to
>>>>> try.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see how domestic market (mis)regulation can be a matter of
>>>> Internet governance as:
>>>>
>>>>     (i)  It is a matter for the relevant country to decide.
>>>>
>>>>     (ii) The issue also covers non-Internet areas.
>>>>
>>>> It would be problematic to try and fix such problems through Internet
>>>> governance (see Brian's comment about national economic policies).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> S. Moonesamy
>>>>
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