[discuss] Proposal for a 1net statement to NetMundial

Tue Mar 4 16:16:06 UTC 2014

I just took the “survey”.  I found it to be quite slanted and full of leading/loaded questions/statements.  Many of the questions/statements have hidden agendas and previously staked-out positions attached to them, which are not identified.  In that vein, many of the statements tend to be “battle slogans,” while others sound like idealistic, “milk and apple pie” statements but are really aligned with a particular position.   The “spin” on these questions/statement makes me dizzy.  Where are the questions stating the opposite positions in the affirmative (which would be consistent with good survey design, as I understand it)?

Even the answer protocol is suspect, in that it is intended to herd respondents toward affirmative responses to the statements, most if not all of which are aligned with a particular worldview.

As a draft manifesto, it is probably a good start.  As a neutral survey, it is a non-starter.

(I was a Sociology/Psychology major in college, and I have worked with survey experts from time to time, so I’ve had some exposure to survey design issues, but I am no expert.  If I were one, I probably would be even more concerned/dismayed.)

That aside, these statements and the concepts underlying them would need to be fleshed out over some time through debate and drafting (and with reference to constituent organizations where needed) before any kind of statement could be made.  Accommodations for a minority view would probably need to be made as well….  The discussions up to this point have laid much groundwork, of course, but they certainly haven’t resulted in any kind of /1net position on any issue (nor have they been intended to).

Greg Shatan

From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of Ian Peter
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:20 AM
To: Nick Ashton-Hart; discuss at 1net.org
Cc: Ross Schulman
Subject: Re: [discuss] Proposal for a 1net statement to NetMundial

Nick wrote

> While this is a constructive process, it comes far, far too late:

Have to agree unfortunately.

I think there is no way civil society could agree to this in time for a March 8 deadline even if it were final and totally agreeable now (which it isn’t). Some individuals might like to sign on to a revised version, but I don’t think it can be called a 1net statement. A statement by participants of 1net who care to sign, perhaps.

Ian Peter

From: Nick Ashton-Hart<mailto:nashton at ccianet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:38 PM
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Cc: Ross Schulman<mailto:RSchulman at ccianet.org>
Subject: [discuss] Proposal for a 1net statement to NetMundial

Dear 1net:

While this is a constructive process, it comes far, far too late:

* Many of us have said repeatedly that we need time in order to go back to our organisations to authorise statements before we can be associated with them. There is no possibility we will be able to do that in the time available.
* As the industry participants on the steering committee have repeatedly said, they are not representatives but liaisons and need to be able to go back to their community before major decisions are taken. Whilst CCIA is in the perhaps unique position that three of our members are represented on the steering committee, I’m sure that’s not the case for the vast majority of industry here and I’m sure that even for us, it is necessary for us to go back to the whole membership before signing on to something as high-profile as this is. So, suggesting that the steering committee can commit on behalf of all stakeholders everywhere is simply a non-starter (and I don’t believe industry’s situation is unique, either).

If this had started two weeks ago, it would perhaps have been just enough time - barely - to get the process done. A month ago would have been much better. A matter of days doesn’t begin to be possible. I’ve provided comments to the survey but only in an individual capacity.

I would like to know if there was any advance notice of this? I don’t recall seeing anything on this list (but I do not follow it closely anymore so I might have missed it).

Regards, Nick
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Based on the feeling and importance that /1net should provide some kind of formal input to the NetMundial meeting in April, we have specifically developed a statement and process to meet the tight deadline for submitting input (Saturday 8 March).

The statement is built from the Montevideo Statement, and split up into the two themes of the NetMundial meeting. There shouldn't be anything in this statement that is controversial or surprising if you have been following Internet governance discussions over the past four months.

A few quick things to note:
·         Having a /1net statement should not in any way preclude people from sending their own input to the NetMundial meeting
·         The statement should be viewed as the broad perspective on Internet governance issues from the /1net community. There is plenty of opportunity for more in-depth discussions outside this singular event
·         Given the tight deadline, we should as much as possible avoid suggestions that others will disagree with

Process of converging on the content of the statement:
·         An online survey gives everyone the opportunity to review each sentence within the draft statement. You can simply agree with it (obviously the preferred response), you can "Agree but…" and provide some brief feedback, or you can disagree and explain why you feel would need to change to the wording in order for you to agree.
·         That survey will run from now until the end of Tuesday (23:45 UTC),
at which point it will close.
·         The results from the survey will be analyzed to see what changes
could be made to accommodate different views - and statistics
released to show what the feedback was (comments will be published
but not attributed).
·         On Thursday, a reformed statement will be put to a second survey sent
to Steering Committee members who will act as representatives of
their stakeholder groups in deciding yes or no to specific
statements.
·         That survey will close Friday and /1net coordinator Adiel Akplogan
will review the results and decide what can be put forward to the
NetMundial meeting as representative of /1net's view.

It is far more rushed than is ideal but given the fact that there is only this week to reach agreement, hopefully you will all see the value in responding quickly and constructively.

You can find the survey and the statements at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/1net-netmundial<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fs%2F1net-netmundial&url_id=5195d73724c12c9451ce6b05827bfb08d6a1c425>

Please note that the survey will automatically close at 23.45 UTC on Tuesday 4 March.

Thank you for your input in advance.
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