[discuss] Will there be life on 1net after IANA is globalized? (:-)

Fri Mar 14 20:40:43 UTC 2014

Greg,

I'll add one comment/question to Naresh:

Naresh, you seem to be asking for some very specific data cut through a
very specific sieve. Can you provide an example from another organization?

Alejandro Pisanty

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Shatan, Gregory S.
<GShatan at reedsmith.com>wrote:

>   Naresh:
>
>
>
> You originally cited "the best of my experience," yet when asked to
> elaborate on that experience you point instead to NETmundial contributions.
>   That's not an answer (unless your personal experiences are in a
> particular paper, in which case a page-specific cite would be
> appreciated).  Again, when you talk about the best of *your* experience,
> what are you referring to?  And in *your* experience of multistakeholder
> governance, which were the "sensitive issues" you refer to where the spirit
> was lacking, and when did this occur?
>
>
>
> Also, I see "engagement" and "outreach" being used essentially
> synonymously in the discussion of expanding participation.  "Engagement" is
> not trivial.  Wrapping a non-answer in a semantic game, however, is
> trivial.
>
>
>
> I, and others, have attempted to engage with you substantively and in good
> faith.  I don't believe that responses like this, which appear evasive and
> add nothing of substance, are in the "spirit" of such substantive good
> faith discussion.  I hope you will consider providing substantive responses.
>
>
>
> Greg Shatan
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>
>
> *From:* Naresh Ajwani [mailto:ajwaninaresh at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 14, 2014 12:03 PM
> *To:* McTim
> *Cc:* Shatan, Gregory S.; discuss at 1net.org
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] Will there be life on 1net after IANA is
> globalized? (:-)
>
>
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>
> McTim,
>
> .."Can you elaborate on your experience, especially on which issues are
> "sensitive"?
>
> Here my submission is that it wud be apt to refer to contributions/papers
> posted at NETmundial website, especially the ones advocating
> multilateralism and the ones saying need for all inclusive stakeholderism.
> These papers are covering sensitivities too besides reasonings.
>
> "... In addition, to echo what Dr. Pisanty says downthread, there is a
> great deal of outreach going on.  I recall that in the AFRINIC region, they
> have built a new WG to engage government folks and to help bring them into
> the PDP.  The RIPE region also has a similar outreach program for
> governments specifically."
>
> First of all, my submissions are in my personal capacity and  discussions
> are not on trivial issues like engagements. When I am referring to outreach
> programs,  it is for expanding stakholderism or costituencies with rights.
>
> Regards & best wishes
>
> Naresh Ajwani
>
> On 13 Mar 2014 16:16, "McTim" <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Naresh,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Naresh Ajwani <ajwaninaresh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg for the elaborative response. Frankly, it has raised yet more
> queries, may be because of my firm belief in all inclusiveness and no
> spiritless processes.
>
> "..... In  a sense, the best protection for a potential "minority view" is
> not to end up as a minority view, but rather to end up influencing the
> consensus so that it resembles that view to the extent possible, with the
> result that the consensus is thus acceptable to the group holding what
> might otherwise have been a minority view....."
>
> To the best of my experience, especially  in case of sensitive issues,
> such spirit is lacking. Be that as it may, you would appreciate that  even
> in your explained ideal environment, the processes are at the most blending
> minorty views but not protecting them and that itself, in my view  is
> against multistakeholderism.  It is a known fact that every stakeholder
> isn't entitled to same equity and justifiably because internet commenced
> from one corner of the world.
>
>
>
>
>
> Can you elaborate on your experience, especially on which issues are
> "sensitive"?
>
>
>
> My experience is the opposite of yours.  I have always found the Technical
> Community processes to be very accommodating of minority views.   As a
> former WG Chair in the RIR system I actually have experience finding
> consensus among a disparate community of policy volunteers.
>
> In addition, to echo what Dr. Pisanty says downthread, there is a great
> deal of outreach going on.  I recall that in the AFRINIC region, they have
> built a new WG to engage government folks and to help bring them into the
> PDP.  The RIPE region also has a similar outreach program for governments
> specifically.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> McTim
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