[discuss] [governance] NTIA statement

Mon Mar 17 09:11:37 UTC 2014

Hello Nick,
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org>wrote:

> I disagree.
>
> The international community does need a way to discuss surveillance - but
> Internet governance is not that venue, for the simple reason that the
> surveillance issue is about surveillance and not the Internet.
>
> The issue of mass surveillance is really asking the question of how do
> countries treat non-nationals in their national security activities. The
> fact that the Internet is used as a tool for surveillance is really
> irrelevant to the question, just as the Internet is used for distribution
> of illegal material like those related to child exploitation but that is
> primarily an enforcement of laws issue, not an Internet issue.
>
>
IG does not need to be about everything where there is an Internet
> dimension - or no solution to any problem can be found.
>
> However: the political demands for action over surveillance are impacting
> the Internet as we all know - so we do have a vested interest in ensuring
> that the core issue of mass surveillance is addressed, just not primarily
> by us, and not in IG.
>

Just to get the flow right, when you say "us" whom do you refer? and when
you say mass surveillance is not an IG issue then what issue is it? My
expectation is that the IG platform will provide an avenue to discuss the
issue and then propose solutions which countries will then turn to legal
content applicable to them. If the issues are not discussed then it will be
difficult to know what they are and address them. Bringing then to IG fora
will help give it a voice that could hopefully get to the listening hears
of government and relevant authorities.

As per the NetMundial, i agree with Avri that from recent happenings,
ICANN-IANA related issues may carry the majority of the agenda which
ofcourse was not the only reason why the event was conjured in the first
place. However since the ICANN-IANA discussion will start from ICANN49 i
think some foundational progress will have been made to further lighten up
the NetMundial agenda to accommodate the other half of the goal which is
largely related to mass surveillance.

I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with recent development on
ICANN-IANA, as it is good news. However we should also not let that
overwhelm the other present concerns. Lets remember that the ICANN-IANA
processes is to prevent the future "what-IFs" while mass surveillance on
the other hand is currently happening and we should not neglect that.

Regards

Cheers!

>
>
> On 17 Mar 2014, at 06:16, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday 16 March 2014 09:51 PM, Victor Ndonnang wrote:
>
> +1 Adiel.
> Surveillance and intelligence agencies was there before the Internet. Even
> if the Internet has a role in the mass surveillance...USG/NTIA intent to
> transfer IANA and root zone management related to the global independent
> Multistakeholder entity is not a response to the mass surveillance issue.
>
>
> Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not constitute any
> real response to mass surveillance problem. And since NetMundial came out
> of a series of events directly connected to the mass surveillance problem,
> and which is the main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is
> only fair to the people across the world that we have
>
> 1. discussions on this issues, and others related to larger international
> public policy issues pertaining to the Internet , and
> 2. come up with proposals regarding these issues.
>
> I have seen almost nil work on this list in this regard. ICANN oversight
> issue should not be allowed to overshadow  these much more important and
> pressing global public policy issues. I fear this is what is happening. A
> good reason of course is structural about what 1Net is.
>
> parminder
>
> May be that Global Multistakeholder entity will be the IETF or I... to help
> strengthen security, privacy and trust on the Internet.
> The Internet Governance is mainly a technical thing, let's leave the
> technical community takes care of it with the full participation and inputs
> of others stakeholders.
> Regards,
> Victor.
>
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org<discuss-bounces at 1net.org>]
> De la part
> de Adiel Akplogan
> Envoyé : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:48 AM
> À : Seun Ojedeji
> Cc : 1 Net List; Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus - IGC
> Objet : Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement
>
> I disagree as well. In this discussion it is very important to dissociate
> the USG/NTIA by role in the performance of IANA function by ICANN and the
> issue related to mass surveillance. The two are not technically linked and
> should be addressed separately.
>
> - a.
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well I would not disagree that mass surveillance indeed continues.
>
> Any NSA statement that says otherwise?
>
> Cheers!
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On 15 Mar 2014 19:08, "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
> Disagree,
>
> Different department.
>
> j
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The IANA ballyhoo comes from the same factory as the "internet freedom"
>
> smoke screen launched before WCIT. It's a spin diversion for the show.
>
> Mass surveillance continues. What's new ?
>
> Louis
>
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