[discuss] surveillance governance, was Re: [governance] NTIA statement

Mon Mar 17 13:59:07 UTC 2014

Dear Alex,

To have an agenda for that discussion I think you first need to identify where it is already taking place, and then look at what remains to be discussed.

On 17 Mar 2014, at 06:37, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com> wrote:

> Parminder,
> 
> I for one - and for once - agree with you on one point: no discussion yet of how surveillance should be governed.
> 
> Time to come up with an agenda for that discussion, at least, and, it seems, leaving ICANN, IANA and all that parasitary stuff to a side.
> 
> Now, as The Ugly said, "if you're going to talk, talk, if you're going to shoot, shoot." Let's see the breakthrough happen.
> 
> What are the achievable rules, norms, agreements and mechanisms that can shape the practice and evolution of governmental surveillance of communications? 
> 
> (Do note that I am forking the thread by a change in the "subject" line, in line with what Greg Shatan, Nick Ashton-Hart and George Sadowsky have proposed a couple of times.)
> 
> Alejandro Pisanty
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 16 March 2014 09:51 PM, Victor Ndonnang wrote:
> +1 Adiel.
> Surveillance and intelligence agencies was there before the Internet. Even
> if the Internet has a role in the mass surveillance...USG/NTIA intent to
> transfer IANA and root zone management related to the global independent
> Multistakeholder entity is not a response to the mass surveillance issue.
> 
> Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is only fair to the people across the world that we have
> 
> 1. discussions on this issues, and others related to larger international public policy issues pertaining to the Internet , and
> 2. come up with proposals regarding these issues.
> 
> I have seen almost nil work on this list in this regard. ICANN oversight issue should not be allowed to overshadow  these much more important and pressing global public policy issues. I fear this is what is happening. A good reason of course is structural about what 1Net is.
> 
> parminder
> 
> May be that Global Multistakeholder entity will be the IETF or I... to help
> strengthen security, privacy and trust on the Internet.
> The Internet Governance is mainly a technical thing, let's leave the
> technical community takes care of it with the full participation and inputs
> of others stakeholders.
> Regards,
> Victor.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] De la part
> de Adiel Akplogan
> Envoyé : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:48 AM
> À : Seun Ojedeji
> Cc : 1 Net List; Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus - IGC
> Objet : Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement
> 
> I disagree as well. In this discussion it is very important to dissociate
> the USG/NTIA by role in the performance of IANA function by ICANN and the
> issue related to mass surveillance. The two are not technically linked and
> should be addressed separately.
> 
> - a.
> 
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I would not disagree that mass surveillance indeed continues.
> 
> Any NSA statement that says otherwise?
> 
> Cheers!
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> 
> On 15 Mar 2014 19:08, "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
> Disagree,
> 
> Different department.
> 
> j
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>
> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The IANA ballyhoo comes from the same factory as the "internet freedom"
> smoke screen launched before WCIT. It's a spin diversion for the show.
> Mass surveillance continues. What's new ?
> 
> Louis
> 
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