[discuss] [governance] NTIA statement

Thu Mar 20 16:40:08 UTC 2014

Thanks for that John, good to know I wasn't imagining it!

rgds,

McTim

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, John Springer <springer at inlandnet.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Wherever else the statements in question are recorded, at this location:
>
> http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN , the author says that:
>
> "ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade told members of its GNSO Council in Buenos Aires
> this morning" [11/17/2013] ... "Chehade stressed in his remarks that the
> Brazil meeting was meant to supplement the Internet Governance Forum but
> would not produce decisions and would eschew topics (including,
> emphatically, surveillance issues raised by the Snowden NSA revelations),
> and be limited to discussing frameworks and principles."
>
> I don't immediately find relevant transcripts, perhaps someone with better
> google fu...
>
> John Springer
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>
>>> Norbert,
>>>
>>> I don't know what you are looking for here.
>>>
>>> Would you like to deny that he said that?
>>>
>>> Would you like to deny that a link to a video in which he said that
>>> was posted?
>>
>>
>> Hi McTim
>>
>> If Fadi indeed said what you claim he said then I want to be able to
>> understand the context, quote his statement, and give the source.
>>
>> If on the other hand the assertion about Fadi having said this in a
>> well-publicized video cannot be substantiated, I'd request that that
>> assertion be withdrawn.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>>
>>
>>> If it wasn't on governance, perhaps it was on BB or 1net.
>>>
>>> I know he said it, I don't know if he meant it, I know that a link to
>>> the video was posted and discussed.
>>>
>>> rgds,
>>>
>>> McTim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi McTim
>>>>
>>>> I've now looked in the archives of governance list... in your
>>>> postings from that time period, there is precisely one link to a
>>>> video of Fadi, this one:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/
>>>>
>>>> That video does not contain any basis for your claim about Fadi
>>>> having said something along the lines of "if surveillance were
>>>> discussed, ICANN would pull out."
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Norbert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:54:43 -0400
>>>> schrieb McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> We discussed this months ago on the governance list, it is in one
>>>>> of the first video interviews
>>>>> he made post NetMundial announcement.  I pointed at it then, you'll
>>>>> have to look in the archives.
>>>>>
>>>>> rgds,
>>>>>
>>>>> McTim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM, parminder
>>>>>>> <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not
>>>>>>>> constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And
>>>>>>>> since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly
>>>>>>>> connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the
>>>>>>>> main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is
>>>>>>>> only fair to the people across the world that we have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. discussions on this issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must recall Fadi saying in the very early days that if
>>>>>>> surveillance were discussed, ICANN would pull out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When and where precisely did Fadi say this? Is there a recording
>>>>>> and/or transcript available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>> Norbert
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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