[discuss] [governance] NTIA statement

michael gurstein gurstein at gmail.com
Sun Mar 23 17:56:47 UTC 2014

Thanks John,

This is interesting as I, along with Norbert didn't pick this up at the
time.  Given that it would be of considerable interest to me at least,
suggests that it may not have been more widely circulated/noted at the time.

(I'm not attributing anything to this, just noting it in passing.


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Found the transcript:

Very long URL shortened, http://goo.gl/0HsmQr

and for those that don't like obfuscated URLs, google gnso buenos aires
transcript fadi 17 surveillance top result

excerpt from page 8, fadi Chehade speaking :

"Last thing I want to tell you is that we have assurances at the highest
level now that the Brazil meeting will not include topics. It will not
include topics. For all of us running around saying it's a summit about
surveillance, it's neither a summit, it's neither about surveillance. 
Okay, let's be very comfortable with that."

see also page 19

John Springer

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, John Springer wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> Wherever else the statements in question are recorded, at this location:
> http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN , the author says that:
> "ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade told members of its GNSO Council in Buenos 
> Aires this morning" [11/17/2013] ... "Chehade stressed in his remarks 
> that the Brazil meeting was meant to supplement the Internet 
> Governance Forum but would not produce decisions and would eschew 
> topics (including, emphatically, surveillance issues raised by the 
> Snowden NSA revelations), and be limited to discussing frameworks and
> I don't immediately find relevant transcripts, perhaps someone with 
> better google fu...
> John Springer
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>> Norbert,
>>> I don't know what you are looking for here.
>>> Would you like to deny that he said that?
>>> Would you like to deny that a link to a video in which he said that 
>>> was posted?
>> Hi McTim
>> If Fadi indeed said what you claim he said then I want to be able to 
>> understand the context, quote his statement, and give the source.
>> If on the other hand the assertion about Fadi having said this in a 
>> well-publicized video cannot be substantiated, I'd request that that 
>> assertion be withdrawn.
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>>> If it wasn't on governance, perhaps it was on BB or 1net.
>>> I know he said it, I don't know if he meant it, I know that a link 
>>> to the video was posted and discussed.
>>> rgds,
>>> McTim
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>>> Hi McTim
>>>> I've now looked in the archives of governance list... in your 
>>>> postings from that time period, there is precisely one link to a 
>>>> video of Fadi, this one:
>>>> http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobr
>>>> e-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/
>>>> That video does not contain any basis for your claim about Fadi 
>>>> having said something along the lines of "if surveillance were 
>>>> discussed, ICANN would pull out."
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Norbert
>>>> Am Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:54:43 -0400
>>>> schrieb McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com>:
>>>>> We discussed this months ago on the governance list, it is in one 
>>>>> of the first video interviews he made post NetMundial 
>>>>> announcement.  I pointed at it then, you'll have to look in the 
>>>>> archives.
>>>>> rgds,
>>>>> McTim
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM, parminder 
>>>>>>> <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not 
>>>>>>>> constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And 
>>>>>>>> since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly 
>>>>>>>> connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the 
>>>>>>>> main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is only 
>>>>>>>> fair to the people across the world that we have
>>>>>>>> 1. discussions on this issues
>>>>>>> You must recall Fadi saying in the very early days that if 
>>>>>>> surveillance were discussed, ICANN would pull out.
>>>>>> When and where precisely did Fadi say this? Is there a recording 
>>>>>> and/or transcript available?
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>> Norbert
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