[discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen

Mon Nov 17 10:48:34 UTC 2014

Noted with understanding James.

Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may
easily refer to it.

Cheers,

p.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have send out an email with the updated statement in full.
>
> For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we
> understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement"
> published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a
> causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a
> loaded word right now that may cause confusion.
>
> I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and not
> get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.
>
> Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it back,
> I will do so.
>
> We have 48 hours to the event.
>
> -James Seng
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder <
> anne-marie.eklund-lowinder at iis.se> wrote:
>
>>  I agree with Pindar, I would prefer to have the reference more
>> substantial.
>>
>>  Anne-Marie
>>
>>
>>
>>  Skickat från min HTC
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> Från: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com>
>> Till: "James Seng" <james.seng at gmail.com>
>> Kopia: "discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" <
>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @
>> Wuzhen
>> Datum: mån, nov 17, 2014 07:41
>>
>>  Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable
>> Internet principles' do you refer to?
>>
>> Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and
>> clear outcome captured in a public document.
>>
>> p.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I intent to modify the statement to:
>>>
>>>  "We, the undersigned, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese
>>> Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable Internet
>>> principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."
>>>
>>>  Would that be okay?
>>>
>>>  -James Seng
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Thank you Dave.
>>>>
>>>>  For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.
>>>>
>>>> p.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <dave at farber.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok I'll sign it
>>>>>  On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  May I suggest then to change the text from
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial.br of April 2014
>>>>>> <http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-Document.pdf>
>>>>>> and to build upon them for the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative
>>>>>> (NMI).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say
>>>>>> yesterday:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <farber at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the
>>>>>>> ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to
>>>>>>> distinguished from the current suggestions .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" <
>>>>>>> lists at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  You may add my name to the list of signatories:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Dear James,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as
>>>>>>>> follows:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Specifically, we would like to highlight the following
>>>>>>>> recommendations to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and
>>>>>>>> distributed architecture;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on
>>>>>>>> end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global
>>>>>>>> technical community;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet
>>>>>>>> through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Also perhaps this friendly amendment:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building
>>>>>>>> upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and
>>>>>>>> accountable *participation*.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  m2c,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> p.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben <
>>>>>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the
>>>>>>>>>> “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global
>>>>>>>>>> approach of the statement more clear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  *From:* James Seng
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* At-Large Worldwide ; mailto:discuss at 1net.org
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet
>>>>>>>>>> Conference @ Wuzhen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to present
>>>>>>>>>> at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions to the statements are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are willing to add your name to the statement, please drop
>>>>>>>>>> me an email.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -James Seng
>>>>>>>>>>
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