[discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen
Izumi AIZU
iza at anr.org
Mon Nov 17 11:15:19 UTC 2014
Agree with Pindar, and pls add my name.
Thank you and see you there as I will join the WIC.
Izumi
2014年11月17日月曜日、Pindar Wong<pindar.wong at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
> Noted with understanding James.
>
> Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may
> easily refer to it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> p.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I have send out an email with the updated statement in full.
>>
>> For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we
>> understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement"
>> published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a
>> causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a
>> loaded word right now that may cause confusion.
>>
>> I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and not
>> get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.
>>
>> Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it back,
>> I will do so.
>>
>> We have 48 hours to the event.
>>
>> -James Seng
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder <
>> anne-marie.eklund-lowinder at iis.se
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','anne-marie.eklund-lowinder at iis.se');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Pindar, I would prefer to have the reference more
>>> substantial.
>>>
>>> Anne-Marie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Skickat från min HTC
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> Från: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>>
>>> Till: "James Seng" <james.seng at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>>
>>> Kopia: "discuss at 1net.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss at 1net.org');>" <discuss at 1net.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss at 1net.org');>>, "At-Large
>>> Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org');>>
>>> Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @
>>> Wuzhen
>>> Datum: mån, nov 17, 2014 07:41
>>>
>>> Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable
>>> Internet principles' do you refer to?
>>>
>>> Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and
>>> clear outcome captured in a public document.
>>>
>>> p.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I intent to modify the statement to:
>>>>
>>>> "We, the undersigned, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese
>>>> Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable Internet
>>>> principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."
>>>>
>>>> Would that be okay?
>>>>
>>>> -James Seng
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.
>>>>>
>>>>> p.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <dave at farber.net
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dave at farber.net');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok I'll sign it
>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May I suggest then to change the text from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial.br of April 2014
>>>>>>> <http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-Document.pdf>
>>>>>>> and to build upon them for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative
>>>>>>> (NMI).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say
>>>>>>> yesterday:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <farber at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','farber at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the
>>>>>>>> ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to
>>>>>>>> distinguished from the current suggestions .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" <
>>>>>>>> lists at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lists at christopherwilkinson.eu');>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may add my name to the list of signatories:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear James,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as
>>>>>>>>> follows:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Specifically, we would like to highlight the following
>>>>>>>>> recommendations to:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and
>>>>>>>>> distributed architecture;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on
>>>>>>>>> end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global
>>>>>>>>> technical community;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet
>>>>>>>>> through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also perhaps this friendly amendment:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building
>>>>>>>>> upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and
>>>>>>>>> accountable *participation*.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> m2c,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> p.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben <
>>>>>>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de');>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the
>>>>>>>>>>> “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global
>>>>>>>>>>> approach of the statement more clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* James Seng
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* At-Large Worldwide ; mailto:discuss at 1net.org
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet
>>>>>>>>>>> Conference @ Wuzhen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to
>>>>>>>>>>> present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions to the statements are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are willing to add your name to the statement, please
>>>>>>>>>>> drop me an email.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -James Seng
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -James Seng
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -James Seng
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -James Seng
>>
>
>
--
>> Izumi Aizu <<
Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
Japan
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