[discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 12, Issue 30
Baudouin Schombe
baudouin.schombe at gmail.com
Mon Nov 24 15:28:38 UTC 2014
Mr. Harmurt hello,
Your clarification edified me and allows me to make the connection between
the NetMundial launched in April 2014 and NetMundiale initiative.
Without many comments, I think it is necessary to be present in the
NMI provided
that there is more transparency in NMI functioning.
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> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:52:01 -0200
> From: Hartmut Richard Glaser <glaser at cgi.br>
> To: Hartmut Glaser <glaser at cgi.br>
> Subject: [discuss] NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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> To all of you directly and indirectly involved with the lively debate
> that has been observed within the Internet governance circles
> surrounding the NETmundial Initiative (NMI), would like to clarify the
> following:
>
> 1)There are two main reasons for CGI.br to embark on the NETmundial
> Initiative.
>
> a) CGI.br is moved by a strong, crystal-clear and well known commitment
> to the preservation, the promotion and the implementation of the
> principles and the roadmap that were adopted in S?o Paulo during the
> Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance -
> NETmundial. As long as CGI.br is involved in any activity, process or
> institution related to the global governance of the Internet, there will
> be a group of 21 board members representatives of the broader Internet
> community in Brazil, assisted by a deeply committed Secretariat, working
> for the promotion of the achievements of the NETmundial meeting earlier
> this year.Instead of watching from a distant perspective the different
> processes and environments that comprise the complex distributed IG
> ecosystem, CGI.br members have been actively engaged with a myriad of
> other stakeholders and the community as a whole in the different spaces
> within which Internet governance is dealt with. CGI.br is committed to
> raise a voice whenever there can by any unjustified reversion on the
> thresholds set by NETmundial for Internet governance, namely:
> collaboration, openness, transparency, and multistakeholderism by default.
>
> b) Brazil is to host the 2015 IGF. CGI.br is closely working with the
> Brazilian government in order to assure that the 10th edition of the IGF
> yields all the results that were normatively set by the community in
> 2014 in different occasions: the renewal of its mandate in the UNGA
> later this year; the strengthening of its role as the focal point for
> the community; the assurance of funding sources, and the harmonization
> of activities of the IGF with the different initiatives that are
> sprouting (nationally, regionally, and globally) since the Community
> issued the NETmundial Statement.
>
> 2) From its inception, CGI.br has been willing to dialogue and of work
> together with every single member of the Community who is willing to
> promote, reflect upon, strengthen, and enhance multistakeholderism. The
> NMI is one among those efforts and can contribute to those goals by
> publicizing ideas and connecting people from all over the world using a
> single Web platform. Anything additional to the development and the
> maintenance of the platform shall be a result of the Initiative after it
> is set up. Bearing that in mind, on behalf of all of the members of the
> Board of CGI.br, we would like to invite all stakeholders to join the
> effort of building NMI based on the spirit and the aspirations of the
> community in a collaborative manner.
>
> 3) The NETmundial Initiative is in its formation. The whole
> institutionalization of NMI shall be community-driven. That is why the
> Transitional Council, as soon as it got a request from the Civil Society
> Coordination Group (CSCG), accepted to work together with the CSCG to
> come up with a solution for defining Civil Society names for the NMI
> Council by consensus and fully respecting the indications of Civil
> Society. It is important to say that CGI.br is pretty confident that if
> any other group of stakeholders approach the Transition Council with
> similar solutions to strengthen the process, the Council will be
> willingly open to recognize and implement them as a way of putting the
> community at the center of the process of shaping the ulterior
> composition of the NMI Council.
>
> Finally, let us reaffirm that CGI.br would never agree with top-down,
> closed decision-making processes that could possibly undermine its
> legitimacy as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder body. It is up for the
> community to transform NMI into something that is concrete and useful
> for the advancement of IG in full respects of the principles enshrined
> in the NETmundial declaration.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Virg?lio Almeida
> Coordinator of the Board of the CGI.br - Representative nominated by the
> Federal Government
>
> Demi Getschko
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, nominated as Internet Expert
>
> Carlos A. Afonso
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the Third Sector
>
> Fl?vio Wagner
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the scientific and
> technological community and Selected member for the MAG/IGF 2015
>
> Eduardo Parajo
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the business sector -
> Internet access and content providers
>
> Hartmut Glaser
> Executive Secretary of the Board of the CGI.br
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:39:50 -0500
> From: joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
> To: discuss at 1net.org
> Subject: Re: [discuss] NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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> Hartmut and colleagues:
>
> Thank you for your note. As someone who participated in the actual Net
> Mundial event, including the planning and drafting, there is no question
> that Brazil understands what multistakeholder means and that it must be
> bottom up.
>
> Net Mundial faced some growing pains early on including lack of timely
> information and questions of transparency in mission, participation and
> process which created some concerns. Over time while some process issues
> were still at issue (how to determine when consensus was reached and how
> to assure all viewpoints were fairly factored in drafting), the
> consultative process was seen to be both real and effective across
> stakeholder groups. The actual meeting and final drafting process
> resulted in documents that were able to gain broad support. I agree
> that Net Mundial was a successful event that exceeded its expectations
> at the outset of the process in many ways because of the willingness and
> stamina of the Brazilian organizing team to interact frankly, directly
> and consistently across all stakeholder groups.
>
> If we contrast the Net Mundial planning and organization with NMI, the
> comparison to date is much less flattering. The initial launch of NMI
> may have been seen to be plagued by some of the same issues as the
> initial launch of Net Mundial: lack of information, transparency and
> process at the outset; though I would argue, that these problems in NMI
> were more acute and that there was much less inclusion in all phases of
> its planning. Where Net Mundial faced criticism on these issues as it
> developed, it took those comments on board and worked with stakeholders
> to develop appropriate solutions. NMI at its launch was greeted with
> substantial criticism and suspicion. Types of outcomes and planning had
> been decided in advance with no meaningful consultation among
> stakeholders. As I have noted in previous posts, listing company CEOs
> on an invitation does not mean there had been meaningful consultation
> with business stakeholders. After the less than resounding reception
> for NMI there was a statement that gave all of us hope. Everything was
> back on the table and NMI would engage in an inclusive bottom up period
> of consultation for 6 months in order to reconsider direction and
> process and to provide the inclusion and transparency that had been
> lacking.
>
> At the IGF, envoys of NMI did speak to many stakeholders. There was
> almost a daily conceptual reinvention of NMI, which was far from helpful
> as NMI meant whatever the ideas were of last conversation someone had
> about it. After the IGF, a period of radio silence ensued. At that
> point Brazil seems to have become more directly involved in the
> process. While the tone of the ensuing conceptual model of NMI is now
> more inclusive, the process has remained opaque at best. The six months
> of bottom up multistakeholder consultation has not occurred in any
> meaningful fashion. The objectives of NMI have been set without the
> benefit of true multistakeholder consultation, and to the extent input
> was taken on board it was in a black box process where no one can
> understand how or why decisions are taken. What was the breadth of
> options considered; why were these chosen and how? Some objectives to
> hearken back to the original launch objectives creating questions of
> whether any input was really taken on board. The current organization
> and articulation of the process does not really provide anywhere near
> enough information on how the breadth of participation and inclusion
> will be accommodated. While the new FAQ and your e-mail go part ways to
> helping start clarifications, NMI needs to understand that it must
> resolve a substantial trust deficit. To date it has not done so. It
> also has not sufficiently clarified how it will be complementary to and
> supportive of the IGF as the forum that enables true stakeholder
> discussion that helps us progress towards better understanding and
> consensus and assemble practical solutions like compendia of best
> practices and other tools of capacity building...
>
> I appreciate the work all of you did to help make Net Mundial a true
> multistakeholder event, as well as the heartfelt sentiment of your
> letter, but NMI has significant work left to do before it can regain the
> trust of the communities that it hopes to include.
>
> In light of the continuing issues and questions that are being raised by
> a number of communities, including the business community, I question
> whether an early December organizational deadline is advisable or feasible.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2014 1:52 PM, Hartmut Richard Glaser wrote:
> >
> > To all of you directly and indirectly involved with the lively debate
> > that has been observed within the Internet governance circles
> > surrounding the NETmundial Initiative (NMI), would like to clarify the
> > following:
> >
> > 1)There are two main reasons for CGI.br to embark on the NETmundial
> > Initiative.
> >
> > a) CGI.br is moved by a strong, crystal-clear and well known
> > commitment to the preservation, the promotion and the implementation
> > of the principles and the roadmap that were adopted in S?o Paulo
> > during the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet
> > Governance - NETmundial. As long as CGI.br is involved in any
> > activity, process or institution related to the global governance of
> > the Internet, there will be a group of 21 board members
> > representatives of the broader Internet community in Brazil, assisted
> > by a deeply committed Secretariat, working for the promotion of the
> > achievements of the NETmundial meeting earlier this year.Instead of
> > watching from a distant perspective the different processes and
> > environments that comprise the complex distributed IG ecosystem,
> > CGI.br members have been actively engaged with a myriad of other
> > stakeholders and the community as a whole in the different spaces
> > within which Internet governance is dealt with. CGI.br is committed to
> > raise a voice whenever there can by any unjustified reversion on the
> > thresholds set by NETmundial for Internet governance, namely:
> > collaboration, openness, transparency, and multistakeholderism by
> > default.
> >
> > b) Brazil is to host the 2015 IGF. CGI.br is closely working with the
> > Brazilian government in order to assure that the 10th edition of the
> > IGF yields all the results that were normatively set by the community
> > in 2014 in different occasions: the renewal of its mandate in the UNGA
> > later this year; the strengthening of its role as the focal point for
> > the community; the assurance of funding sources, and the harmonization
> > of activities of the IGF with the different initiatives that are
> > sprouting (nationally, regionally, and globally) since the Community
> > issued the NETmundial Statement.
> >
> > 2) From its inception, CGI.br has been willing to dialogue and of work
> > together with every single member of the Community who is willing to
> > promote, reflect upon, strengthen, and enhance multistakeholderism.
> > The NMI is one among those efforts and can contribute to those goals
> > by publicizing ideas and connecting people from all over the world
> > using a single Web platform. Anything additional to the development
> > and the maintenance of the platform shall be a result of the
> > Initiative after it is set up. Bearing that in mind, on behalf of all
> > of the members of the Board of CGI.br, we would like to invite all
> > stakeholders to join the effort of building NMI based on the spirit
> > and the aspirations of the community in a collaborative manner.
> >
> > 3) The NETmundial Initiative is in its formation. The whole
> > institutionalization of NMI shall be community-driven. That is why the
> > Transitional Council, as soon as it got a request from the Civil
> > Society Coordination Group (CSCG), accepted to work together with the
> > CSCG to come up with a solution for defining Civil Society names for
> > the NMI Council by consensus and fully respecting the indications of
> > Civil Society. It is important to say that CGI.br is pretty confident
> > that if any other group of stakeholders approach the Transition
> > Council with similar solutions to strengthen the process, the Council
> > will be willingly open to recognize and implement them as a way of
> > putting the community at the center of the process of shaping the
> > ulterior composition of the NMI Council.
> >
> > Finally, let us reaffirm that CGI.br would never agree with top-down,
> > closed decision-making processes that could possibly undermine its
> > legitimacy as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder body. It is up for
> > the community to transform NMI into something that is concrete and
> > useful for the advancement of IG in full respects of the principles
> > enshrined in the NETmundial declaration.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Virg?lio Almeida
> > Coordinator of the Board of the CGI.br - Representative nominated by
> > the Federal Government
> >
> > Demi Getschko
> > Member of the Board of CGI.br, nominated as Internet Expert
> >
> > Carlos A. Afonso
> > Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the Third Sector
> >
> > Fl?vio Wagner
> > Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the scientific and
> > technological community and Selected member for the MAG/IGF 2015
> >
> > Eduardo Parajo
> > Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the business sector -
> > Internet access and content providers
> >
> > Hartmut Glaser
> > Executive Secretary of the Board of the CGI.br
> >
> >
> >
> >
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