[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
Anja Kovacs
anja at internetdemocracy.in
Wed Sep 6 18:43:35 UTC 2017
I also agree with Carlos that a +5 assessment of the NetMundial processes
would be a good idea - at an IGF2019 pre-event if nothing else.
Thanks, APNIC, for keeping this list alive!
Best,
Anja
On 4 September 2017 at 18:19, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
> Agreed!
>
> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> Apartado 1571-1000
> San José COSTA RICA
>
> On Sep 4, 2017 06:01, "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>> While the list is still alive... Hola tocayo,
>>
>> Allow me to agree with you on the qauality of the work done in
>> NETmundial, and disagree on a possible follow-up process.
>>
>> The idea of a NETmundial follow-up is not to rewrite the whole thing,
>> but to assess how the recommended principles and the roadmap are doing.
>> The road we are talking about is not static like a highway, it is
>> subject to significant and more or less rapid changes, with new key
>> issues emerging. I understand this is the idea Wolf has been defending.
>>
>> Did we talk about ransomware, the blockchain or IoT in NETmundial, for
>> example? A full-text search of the event repository finds nothing on
>> these -- except for a single occurrence of the word "idiots" in a
>> personal message :-)
>>
>> So I am in favor of a NETmundial+5 assessment event (and preparatory
>> process), I do hope we may be able to count on CGI.br to help us on this
>> (realistic pessimism aside), and I do not think it will need to cost as
>> much as the original event.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/09/2017 03:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
>> > Dear Ian,
>> >
>> > Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
>> > just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
>> > Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government
>> > and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)
>> >
>> > Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
>> > appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs
>> > narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could
>> > be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far
>> > away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we
>> > can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided
>> > efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.
>> >
>> > In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
>> > bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
>> >
>> > Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
>> > be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier
>> suggested.
>> >
>> > Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
>> > Apartado 1571-1000
>> > San José COSTA RICA
>> >
>> > On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> > <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to
>> > report that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a
>> > number of reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil
>> > which wanted to distance itself from any achievements of the
>> > previous government; but there were many other reasons as well. And
>> > although some of us think a second Netmundial Conference would be
>> > beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this underway.
>> >
>> > But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be
>> > disbanded, I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have
>> > some unique historical significance. There are not many global
>> > statements that deal with the range of issues confronting the
>> > Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which was
>> > developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I
>> > think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
>> > historical record.
>> >
>> > As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of
>> > frustration personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at
>> > Netmundial have evolved since then. Personal data protection has
>> > definitely got a lot worse, both from a surveillance point of view
>> > and also as regards use of personal data for commercial purposes.
>> > And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly their
>> > transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy
>> > relationship between large internet corporations and a few key large
>> > governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy
>> > access to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate
>> > you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some
>> > fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>> >
>> > Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
>> > cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
>> > addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
>> > effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder
>> > co-operation we saw at Netmundial.
>> >
>> > So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to
>> > address these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on
>> > emerging issues in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the
>> > power of global internet corporations are on a collision course
>> > where nobody wins. I have just mentioned a few issues above, there
>> > are many more where I believe some concerted action and co-operation
>> > would be beneficial.
>> >
>> > Ian Peter
>> >
>> > PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders
>> > and denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I
>> > hear reports of this happening, and certainly an application for US
>> > visa includes a (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the
>> > details of your Facebook and Twitter accounts. Practices like this
>> > are awful and should never become widespread.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* Seun Ojedeji
>> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
>> > *To:* Marilyn Cade
>> > *Cc:* discuss
>> > *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>> >
>> > Hello Marilyn, all
>> >
>> > You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps
>> > but what will that be"?
>> >
>> > We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few
>> > points[1] one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I
>> > wonder if that is still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come
>> > alive again.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > 1.
>> > http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
>> > <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
>> >
>> > Sent from my mobile
>> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>> >
>> > On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > M
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -------------
>> > *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on
>> > behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> > *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
>> > *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
>> > *Cc:* discuss
>> > *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>> >
>> > Dear Peter,
>> >
>> > As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
>> >
>> > 1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
>> > Internet history?
>> > 2. is the 1net.org <http://1net.org> domain & web site going to
>> > be archived too, beyond archive.org <http://archive.org> ?
>> >
>> > Warmest regards,
>> >
>> > Olivier
>> >
>> > On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
>> >> Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than
>> >> faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never
>> >> ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic
>> >> left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me
>> >> there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few
>> >> days.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> Peter H. Hellmonds
>> >> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
>> >> +49 160 360 2852 <tel:+49%20160%203602852>
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yo!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's
>> >> what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
>> >>
>> >> Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a
>> >> fake mail!!)
>> >>
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