[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
Carlos Raul Gutierrez
crg at isoc-cr.org
Mon Sep 4 12:49:10 UTC 2017
Agreed!
Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
Apartado 1571-1000
San José COSTA RICA
On Sep 4, 2017 06:01, "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> While the list is still alive... Hola tocayo,
>
> Allow me to agree with you on the qauality of the work done in
> NETmundial, and disagree on a possible follow-up process.
>
> The idea of a NETmundial follow-up is not to rewrite the whole thing,
> but to assess how the recommended principles and the roadmap are doing.
> The road we are talking about is not static like a highway, it is
> subject to significant and more or less rapid changes, with new key
> issues emerging. I understand this is the idea Wolf has been defending.
>
> Did we talk about ransomware, the blockchain or IoT in NETmundial, for
> example? A full-text search of the event repository finds nothing on
> these -- except for a single occurrence of the word "idiots" in a
> personal message :-)
>
> So I am in favor of a NETmundial+5 assessment event (and preparatory
> process), I do hope we may be able to count on CGI.br to help us on this
> (realistic pessimism aside), and I do not think it will need to cost as
> much as the original event.
>
>
>
> On 03/09/2017 03:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
> > Dear Ian,
> >
> > Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
> > just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
> > Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government
> > and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)
> >
> > Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
> > appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs
> > narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could
> > be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far
> > away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we
> > can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided
> > efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.
> >
> > In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
> > bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
> >
> > Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
> > be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier
> suggested.
> >
> > Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> > Apartado 1571-1000
> > San José COSTA RICA
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> > <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to
> > report that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a
> > number of reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil
> > which wanted to distance itself from any achievements of the
> > previous government; but there were many other reasons as well. And
> > although some of us think a second Netmundial Conference would be
> > beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this underway.
> >
> > But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be
> > disbanded, I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have
> > some unique historical significance. There are not many global
> > statements that deal with the range of issues confronting the
> > Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which was
> > developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I
> > think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
> > historical record.
> >
> > As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of
> > frustration personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at
> > Netmundial have evolved since then. Personal data protection has
> > definitely got a lot worse, both from a surveillance point of view
> > and also as regards use of personal data for commercial purposes.
> > And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly their
> > transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy
> > relationship between large internet corporations and a few key large
> > governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy
> > access to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate
> > you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some
> > fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
> >
> > Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
> > cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
> > addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
> > effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder
> > co-operation we saw at Netmundial.
> >
> > So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to
> > address these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on
> > emerging issues in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the
> > power of global internet corporations are on a collision course
> > where nobody wins. I have just mentioned a few issues above, there
> > are many more where I believe some concerted action and co-operation
> > would be beneficial.
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> > PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders
> > and denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I
> > hear reports of this happening, and certainly an application for US
> > visa includes a (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the
> > details of your Facebook and Twitter accounts. Practices like this
> > are awful and should never become widespread.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Seun Ojedeji
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
> > *To:* Marilyn Cade
> > *Cc:* discuss
> > *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
> >
> > Hello Marilyn, all
> >
> > You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps
> > but what will that be"?
> >
> > We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few
> > points[1] one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I
> > wonder if that is still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come
> > alive again.
> >
> > Regards
> > 1.
> > http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
> > <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html>
> > Sent from my mobile
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
> >
> >
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> > *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on
> > behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
> > *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
> > *Cc:* discuss
> > *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
> >
> > Dear Peter,
> >
> > As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
> >
> > 1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
> > Internet history?
> > 2. is the 1net.org <http://1net.org> domain & web site going to
> > be archived too, beyond archive.org <http://archive.org> ?
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
> >> Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than
> >> faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never
> >> ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic
> >> left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me
> >> there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few
> >> days.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Peter H. Hellmonds
> >> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
> >> +49 160 360 2852 <tel:+49%20160%203602852>
> >>
> >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yo!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's
> >> what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
> >>
> >> Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a
> >> fake mail!!)
> >>
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