[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!

Carlos Raul Gutierrez crg at isoc-cr.org
Mon Sep 4 12:49:10 UTC 2017


Agreed!

Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
Apartado 1571-1000
San José COSTA RICA

On Sep 4, 2017 06:01, "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> While the list is still alive... Hola tocayo,
>
> Allow me to agree with you on the qauality of the work done in
> NETmundial, and disagree on a possible follow-up process.
>
> The idea of a NETmundial follow-up is not to rewrite the whole thing,
> but to assess how the recommended principles and the roadmap are doing.
> The road we are talking about is not static like a highway, it is
> subject to significant and more or less rapid changes, with new key
> issues emerging. I understand this is the idea Wolf has been defending.
>
> Did we talk about ransomware, the blockchain or IoT in NETmundial, for
> example? A full-text search of the event repository finds nothing on
> these -- except for a single occurrence of the word "idiots" in a
> personal message :-)
>
> So I am in favor of a NETmundial+5 assessment event (and preparatory
> process), I do hope we may be able to count on CGI.br to help us on this
> (realistic pessimism aside), and I do not think it will need to cost as
> much as the original event.
>
>
>
> On 03/09/2017 03:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
> > Dear Ian,
> >
> > Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
> > just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
> > Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government
> > and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)
> >
> > Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
> > appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs
> > narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could
> > be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far
> > away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we
> > can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided
> > efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.
> >
> > In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
> > bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
> >
> > Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
> > be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier
> suggested.
> >
> > Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> > Apartado 1571-1000
> > San José COSTA RICA
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> > <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to
> >     report that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a
> >     number of reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil
> >     which wanted to distance itself from any achievements of the
> >     previous government; but there were many other reasons as well. And
> >     although some of us think a second Netmundial Conference would be
> >     beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this underway.
> >
> >     But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be
> >     disbanded, I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have
> >     some unique historical significance. There are not many global
> >     statements that deal with the range of issues confronting the
> >     Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which was
> >     developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I
> >     think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
> >     historical record.
> >
> >     As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of
> >     frustration personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at
> >     Netmundial have evolved since then. Personal data protection has
> >     definitely got a lot worse, both from a surveillance point of view
> >     and also as regards use of personal data for commercial purposes.
> >     And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly their
> >     transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy
> >     relationship between large internet corporations and a few key large
> >     governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy
> >     access to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate
> >     you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some
> >     fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
> >
> >     Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
> >     cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
> >     addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
> >     effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder
> >     co-operation we saw at Netmundial.
> >
> >     So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to
> >     address these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on
> >     emerging issues in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the
> >     power of global internet corporations are on a collision course
> >     where nobody wins. I have just mentioned a few issues above, there
> >     are many more where I believe some concerted action and co-operation
> >     would be beneficial.
> >
> >     Ian Peter
> >
> >     PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders
> >     and denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I
> >     hear reports of this happening, and certainly an application for US
> >     visa includes a (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the
> >     details of your Facebook and Twitter accounts. Practices like this
> >     are awful and should never become widespread.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     *From:* Seun Ojedeji
> >     *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
> >     *To:* Marilyn Cade
> >     *Cc:* discuss
> >     *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
> >
> >     Hello Marilyn, all
> >
> >     You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps
> >     but what will that be"?
> >
> >     We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few
> >     points[1] one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I
> >     wonder if that is still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come
> >     alive again.
> >
> >     Regards
> >     1.
> >     http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
> >     <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html>
> >     Sent from my mobile
> >     Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> >     On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> >     wrote:
> >
> >         Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
> >
> >
> >
> >         M
> >
> >
> >
> >         ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> >         *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on
> >         behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> >         *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
> >         *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
> >         *Cc:* discuss
> >         *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
> >
> >         Dear Peter,
> >
> >         As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
> >
> >         1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
> >         Internet history?
> >         2. is the 1net.org <http://1net.org> domain & web site going to
> >         be archived too, beyond archive.org <http://archive.org> ?
> >
> >         Warmest regards,
> >
> >         Olivier
> >
> >         On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
> >>         Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than
> >>         faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never
> >>         ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic
> >>         left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me
> >>         there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few
> >>         days.
> >>
> >>         Cheers
> >>         Peter
> >>
> >>         Peter H. Hellmonds
> >>         <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
> >>         +49 160 360 2852 <tel:+49%20160%203602852>
> >>
> >>         On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
> >>
> >>         Yo!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's
> >>         what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
> >>
> >>         Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a
> >>         fake mail!!)
> >>
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