[discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse

Sat Apr 28 14:53:02 UTC 2018

I certainly take abrís comments serioisly, as opposed  to the previous one
last April 1st...:/
We have a place
We have a date or two
I suggest to take a look at the statement again and I have particular
interest in the Road Ahead section.

Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
Apartado 1571-1000
San José COSTA RICA

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 07:52 avri doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Perhaps year 4 is a good year for an IGF workshop or pre-event on
> Netmundial 4 years later.  And if there is interest, that could be the
> starting point for a Netmundial at 5 years event.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 27-Apr-18 16:57, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote:
> > Well, it would be great to have something. I would love to see a
> > Netmundial +5 event: I confess to not being over-excited about just
> > having a sub theme or a workshop at IGF. But what can we do
> realistically?
> >
> > We also seem to have lost the cgi.br example of how to run things
> > nationally with the current government in Brazil?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: "Nigel Hickson" <nigel.hickson at icann.org
> > <mailto:nigel.hickson at icann.org>>
> > To: "wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de"
> > <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
> > <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>>;
> > "nicocamarao at gmail.com" <nicocamarao at gmail.com
> > <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>>; "nnenna75 at gmail.com"
> > <nnenna75 at gmail.com <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>
> > Cc: "discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>>
> > Sent: 27/04/2018 9:35:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since
> > the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse
> >
> >> Good evening
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am glad we are discussing this; thanks Ian.  Agree with Wolfgang,
> >> IGF 2019 would be an ideal opportunity to both take stock of what has
> >> been achieved since NETMundial and to look forward.  This could be a
> >> real focus of the Event; should the MAG buy into it.  It could also
> >> be a real opportunity to show (perhaps through an updating of
> >> principles) that IGF can deliver positive outcomes;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *<discuss-bounces at 1net.org <mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org>>
> >> on behalf of Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> >> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
> >> <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>>
> >> *Date: *Thursday, 26 April 2018 at 22:08
> >> *To: *"nicocamarao at gmail.com <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>"
> >> <nicocamarao at gmail.com <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>>,
> >> "nnenna75 at gmail.com <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>" <nnenna75 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>
> >> *Cc: *"discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>" <discuss at 1net.org
> >> <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>>
> >> *Subject: *[Ext] [discuss] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the
> >> Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I did propose already three years ago to start planning for a
> >> NetMundial+5. The IGF 2019 is hosted by Germany. The dates or
> >> November 2019, the venue is Berlin. Shouldn´t we start a bottom up
> >> process for a review of the Principles and the Roadmap?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wolfgang
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>> Nicolas Fiumarelli <nicocamarao at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>> 26.04.18 19.34 Uhr >>>
> >>
> >> Hello everyone. Nicolas Fiumarelli from Youth IGF Uruguay.
> >>
> >> Like Ian, I think the fact that 4 years have passed from this
> >> activity makes me reflect and think, since then there has been no
> >> activity that has a multistakeholder mechanism as strong as it was
> >> when the call for comments on the statement happened. If there is any
> >> way to rescue that technology, which allowed comments on the
> >> paragraphs online. I think it was a very good moment, in fact I can
> >> say with certainty that that was the boom of the technology applied
> >> to multistakeholder modeling for creating agreements between hundreds
> >> of interested parties .. And as Ian said, I do not like the idea of
> >> waiting for things to be in resolved nation states acting
> >> unilaterally when we already have experience of these digital and
> >> dynamic multistakeholder ways of resolving things. My advice is to
> >> return to these practices where technology takes a particular role in
> >> making decisions or "agreements." I repeat, I have not seen an
> >> activity as transparent and open as it was the setting of that
> >> statement in NETMundial.
> >>
> >> Nico Fiumarelli.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2018-04-25 20:16 GMT-03:00 Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>:
> >>
> >>     I am interested in this conversation
> >>
> >>     Nnenna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> >>     <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> >>     <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         Just noticed that we have reached 4 years since this
> >>         statement - and reading it again, it still has a lot of valid
> >>         things to say.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/[netmundial.br]
> >>         <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&e=
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Sadly, however, there seems to be no current initiative or
> >>         any on the horizon capable of addressing the global problems
> >>         raised then, which are getting worse and taking on new
> >>         dimensions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Do we just give up? Or just rely on nation states acting
> >>         unilaterally to somehow resolve these problems when
> >>         unilateral action is not sufficient and in some cases it
> >>         isn't in their perceived interests to take any action
> whatsoever?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Ian Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
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