[discuss] What is MSism?

Wed Apr 16 06:02:53 UTC 2014

+1 to all what Alejandro has said. A good summary of multistakeholder
characteristics.

Thanks!

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 16 Apr 2014 00:34, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pranesh,
>
> the IETF makes no distinction for participation or leadership based on
> whether participants work in businesses, government-run research
> laboratories, academic institutions (in turn, private or public.) This has
> been explained in detail.
>
> The ITU has a formal structure in which its highest decision-making body,
> able for example to change the Constitution and elect the leadership, is
> made up of governments only.
>
> It distinguishes between governments and sector members. Sector members
> are almost exclusively companies, with pockets deep enough to pay at least
> 65,000 Swiss Francs a year (they may buy more seats.) The rest of the
> sector members are almost exclusively trade associations of the same
> companies, i.e. they get double dips. The few truly non-commercial
> organizations that are also sector members include the Red Cross (ICRC),
> International Astronomical Union, and the Internet Society in a rather
> specific status. Individuals are not welcome. Many sessions are closed.
> Documents are not freely available (locked behind "TIES" accounts) so no
> external accountability is possible. There are a few more details but they
> don't substantially change this picture.
>
> That is why most people who have followed broad participatory processes
> consider the claim that the ITU is "multistakeholder" hollow.
>
> As far as I understand Reddit and Wikipedia don't make decisions that
> determine others' conduct or resources in an equivalent way so that part of
> the argument may be less relevant. They provide valuable services but are
> not technical coordination bodies. Plus, to the best of my knowledge, they
> also don't make strong distinctions based on this kind of stakeholder
> classification.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:
>
>> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> [2014-03-30 11:24:24 -0400]:
>>
>>> Who are the "multiple" stakeholder groups in, for instance, the IETF?
>>>> What
>>>> role did civil society and business play in policy formulation in IG in
>>>> these 40 years?  Were they "co-equals" with government?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> there are zero groupings in the IETF.
>>>
>>> All "stakeholders" come together as co-equals in a WG.
>>>
>>
>> Is Wikipedia multistakeholder?  Are online fora like Reddit
>> multistakeholder?  Both Wikipedia and Reddit have detailed governance
>> mechanisms and structures.  But if IETF is multistakeholder, I don't see
>> how Wikipedia and Reddit are any different.
>>
>> Would you say ITU isn't multistakeholder?  Why not?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>>
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