[discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment

Jefsey jefsey at jefsey.com
Fri Apr 18 16:16:45 UTC 2014

At 17:29 18/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from
>Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval
>engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy",
>"participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and
>participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions.

Correct. Multistakeholderism is a pre-decision system, like electoral 
campaigning where every (democracy) or only some candidates 
(oligarchy) are permitted. The decision process itself can be by vote 
(democracy), humming - (rough) consensus (e.g. IETF), received order 
(dictatures), electoral manipulation (fraud), predetermined plan 
(strategic use), emergence from individual self-decisions (polycracy)

In the recent USIG case, the OpenStand, WCIT minority position + 
Snowden + RFC 6852 + Montevideo + Sao Paulo annoucement + March 14th 
(NTIA annoucement, I*Leader approbation, Industry support, and Lynn 
St Amour 35 pages study on the consequences) sequence, this might be 
a decision by predetermined plan.

I have nothing about strategic plans if they are open, for my own 
good, and fair for all. I am suspicious when they are not transparent 
(but this may be loyally necessary). I tend to oppose them as 
inefficient on the long range when they are disloyal, i.e. showing a 
conflict between disclosed and undisclosed but manifest objectives.

I tend to consider policracy as the only realistic way to obtain a 
decision from the Multitude (i.e. all those having retained their 
informed self-determination, in the Internet case, the IUsers).

>fraternal regards
>On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote:
> >>
> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with
> >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in 
> a forthright
> >> manner anywhere in the document.
> >
> >
> > I believer the opposite to be true.
> >
> > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old
> > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of
> > Westphalianism.
> >
> >
> > --
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >
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