[discuss] NetMundial Initiative

Thu Aug 14 07:11:35 UTC 2014

*Current status of IG debate:* we need leaks to know what is going on!
Pretty bad for a start.

@jordan carter: "why a noted business centred forum is the place to launch
an Internet governance initiative?" - a question to be echoed indeed.

It is a shame after the whole attempt of NETMudial to innovate in a meeting
process, seeking some transparency, openness and inclusion, something like
this comes up under the same "brand". Hello Brazil?!

@jeremy and members of the so called "evil cabal", if you go, you have an
important role to feed people with the most important asset: information. I
bet we will be always prompt for feedback.

hoping for the best, though looking at... the worst?

regards

joana

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Joana Varon Ferraz
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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> More that the IGF phase wasn't going to work.  IGF has always been in
> a tough spot, not so much fumbling the ball -- as if that's anything
> other than an endemic feature of any organization of a similar
> institutional nature -- but not empowered and pining for standing.
> But Netmundial wasn't executed well in that regard (they announced
> sponsorship of IGF, but they also weren't quite able to make things
> stick), so they need to patch he information society process up by a
> more blunt move that steps past IGF rather than going through a
> process of engaging folks in issues via IGF as per plan.  I think
> they're figuring they'll be able to just brazen it out.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
> > I think it's more the case that the IGF has so badly fumbled the ball
> that
> > it falls to someone - anyone - else to pick it up. But that is not to
> > discount the valid criticisms that others have expressed and that I agree
> > with.
> >
> > Disclaimer: I'm a member of the evil cabal.
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy Malcolm
> > Senior Global Policy Analyst
> > Electronic Frontier Foundation
> > https://eff.org
> > jmalcolm at eff.org
> >
> > Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
> >
> > :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone explain why a noted business centred forum is the place to
> > launch an Internet governance initiative?
> >
> > I genuinely don't understand that.
> >
> > I thought the whole lesson of netmundial was that genuine multi
> stakeholder
> > approaches work well, not that it was a nice experiment to be ignored.
> >
> > It would be helpful if those who rule us, as it were, would rapidly
> disclose
> > some authoritative information.
> >
> > Jordan
> >
> > On Thursday, 14 August 2014, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell at cs.tcd.ie>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Gotta say... seems like elitist nonsense to me having looked
> >> at the invite list and other docs. The elitist part should be
> >> obvious. The nonsense part is due to  almost none of the list
> >> of invitees being known for knowing about the Internet. It
> >> seems much more an elite than an Internet-savvy list of folks
> >> being asked to form a new cabal. That said, cabals aren't all
> >> bad, and I've no reason to think very badly of this particular
> >> subset of the elite and its I guess just more meaningless policy
> >> stuff so I don't need to care very much.
> >>
> >> That said, it seems a pity for this to be the next step after
> >> the Brazil gig which seemed relatively open.
> >>
> >> S.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14/08/14 02:36, William Drake wrote:
> >> > Hi
> >> >
> >> > I proposed several times to the 1NET Co Com that 1NET explore serving
> as
> >> > a more open multistakeholder vehicle for connecting people to the
> NETmundial
> >> > Initiative.  Several members expressed support for that, but since
> how the
> >> > NMI will evolve remains very unclear it's hard to know ex ante how
> this
> >> > could work.  I made the same suggestion to Fadi in London, didn't get
> much
> >> > reaction.
> >> >
> >> > As I understand the basic idea, NMI will have a six month launch
> managed
> >> > by WEF but the hope would be that this leads to something broader and
> more
> >> > inclusive in a second phase.  Not how I would have done it, but that
> said I
> >> > wouldn't assume before the fact that the second phase will not come.
>  We
> >> > have to see for starters how the conversation goes 28 August and what
> is
> >> > possible...
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just wondering, is this a proper list for those who have been
> catching
> >> >> bits and pieces of the ICANN/WEF 'NetMundial Initiaitve' to be
> >> >> discussed.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think it might be, and have even suggested it to others, but
> figured
> >> >> I
> >> >> better check first.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> avri
> >> >>
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> > Jordan Carter
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> >
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