[discuss] Time to be more precise about Internet Governance

Nick Ashton-Hart nashton at ccianet.org
Fri Jan 3 09:04:17 UTC 2014

... Which type of abuse was made much, much harder due to the weighted proportional voting system in use there. My statement is accurate.

As to your last sentence, when is that ever true? Politicians are routinely elected to major office and questions raised about their representational quality. 

At-Large is like any other group of people from many walks of life who volunteer their time to collaborate, there are many motivations, interests, and levels of contribution. 

Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
>I won't play the whistle blower role but I can assure that while you
>were employed by ICANN, not meaning that you were directly involved or
>ICANN "fixed" any elections, but it happen in a particular RALO because
>I witnessed first hand conversations on the back channels about how to
>get the necessary votes to get certain individuals elected.
>And the processes and machinery you say are in place do not guarantee
>that who claims to represent for example the end users, actually do so.
>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:07 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org>
>> A big +1 to Olivier's comments. As one of the staff members at ICANN
>responsible for supporting At-Large I don't recognize Jorge's
>characterisation of AL at all. In particular, the idea that elections
>are 'fixed' is particularly untrue - the electoral machinery and
>processes in that community are far more transparent, rules-based, and
>likely to produce truly representative results than anything I have
>seen in any other IG related process.
>> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Jorge,
>>>> On 30/12/2013 06:13, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>>>  About representation, again taking ICANN as an example, and this
>>>>  something I've been following for many years since the creation of
>>>>  ALAC, RALOs and ALSs, the mechanisms used to certify
>>>>  are so lax that you can get together with a bunch of friends or
>>>>  colleges, incorporate a non-profit entity, generate some activity,
>>>>  become an ALS, join a RALO, play some politics, get elected among
>>>>  friends that fix the election process in the background, and voila
>>>>  are a new member of the club. And here is where the musical chairs
>>>>  game and multiple hats dance starts. The issue becomes to "belong"
>>>>  into the ecosystem, today I'm in ALAC, tomorrow I'm on NCSG, then
>>>>  GNSO, while not the GAC, next time I'll be chair of
>>>> something and
>>>>  perhaps get on the BoD, and given that I "belong" now I am an
>>>>  !! so I can teach about "Internet Governance" 
>>> Permit me to disagree with your characterisation of the ALAC and
>>> At-Large Community. The people that serve on the ALAC and in various
>>> committees work hard to experiment with the bottom-up
>>> model which is not an easy ride every day. This has more in common
>>> pioneering masochism than with the "club" which you describe. Why
>>> you get actively involved to sample the pain, headaches and
>>> satisfaction?
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>> ALAC Chair
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>>> discuss at 1net.org
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>> -- 
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