[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!

Sun Sep 3 06:32:21 UTC 2017

Dear Ian,

Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It just
needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the Brazilian
government either. In fact is not held by any Government and/or the World
Economic Forum (anymore)

Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs narrow
remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could be a most
useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far away from
the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we can forgive and
forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided efforts to coopt the
NetMundial effort.

In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced bottom-up
multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.

Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could be
a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier suggested.

Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
Apartado 1571-1000
San José COSTA RICA

On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to report
> that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a number of
> reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil which wanted to
> distance itself from any achievements of the previous government; but there
> were many other reasons as well. And although some of us think a second
> Netmundial Conference would be beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative
> to get this underway.
>
> But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be disbanded, I
> do hope it is archived, because I think it does have some unique historical
> significance. There are not many global statements that deal with the range
> of issues confronting the Internet – and this one is the only one I know of
> which was developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So
> I think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
> historical record.
>
> As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of frustration
> personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at Netmundial have
> evolved since then. Personal data protection has definitely got a lot
> worse, both from a surveillance point of view and also as regards use of
> personal data for commercial purposes. And anyone trying to address these
> issues,and particularly their transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by
> a very cosy relationship between large internet corporations and a few key
> large governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy access
> to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate you”. Win-win
> for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some fundamental rights to
> privacy and freedom of expression.
>
> Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
> cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
> addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
> effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder co-operation
> we saw at Netmundial.
>
> So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to address
> these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on emerging issues
> in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the power of global internet
> corporations are on a collision course where nobody wins. I have just
> mentioned a few issues above, there are many more where I believe some
> concerted action and co-operation would be beneficial.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders and
> denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I hear reports
> of this happening, and certainly an application for US visa includes a
> (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the details of your Facebook
> and Twitter accounts. Practices like this are awful and should never become
> widespread.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Seun Ojedeji
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
> *To:* Marilyn Cade
> *Cc:* discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>
> Hello Marilyn, all
>
> You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps but
> what will that be"?
>
> We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few points[1] one
> of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I wonder if that is still
> in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come alive again.
>
> Regards
> 1. http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
>>
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>>
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>> *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on behalf of
>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
>> *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
>> *Cc:* discuss
>> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>>
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
>>
>> 1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of Internet
>> history?
>> 2. is the 1net.org domain & web site going to be archived too, beyond
>> archive.org ?
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
>>
>> Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than faked mails
>> with spam where all of us know they would never ever come from Patrik there
>> seems to be no relevant traffic left here on the list. Unless some real
>> human being tells me there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out
>> in a few days.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Peter
>>
>> Peter H. Hellmonds
>> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
>> +49 160 360 2852 <+49%20160%203602852>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>>
>> Yo!
>>
>>
>>
>> Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's what you
>> were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
>>
>> Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a fake
>> mail!!)
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