[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!

Sun Sep 3 06:56:57 UTC 2017

+1 for archiving all the communications went on this list as part of the
Internet Governance history.

+1 to repurpose this list, maybe to work on documenting the value added
perspectives as on going effort, we all work for the future but rarely we
find a one place that compiles and collects historical facts on an ongoing
basis. This might attract people who believe in the saying " to know your
future you must know your past"

On Sep 3, 2017 9:33 AM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:

> Dear Ian,
>
> Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
> just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
> Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government and/or
> the World Economic Forum (anymore)
>
> Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
> appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs narrow
> remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could be a most
> useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far away from
> the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we can forgive and
> forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided efforts to coopt the
> NetMundial effort.
>
> In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
> bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
>
> Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
> be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier suggested.
>
> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> Apartado 1571-1000
> San José COSTA RICA
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to report
>> that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a number of
>> reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil which wanted to
>> distance itself from any achievements of the previous government; but there
>> were many other reasons as well. And although some of us think a second
>> Netmundial Conference would be beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative
>> to get this underway.
>>
>> But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be disbanded,
>> I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have some unique
>> historical significance. There are not many global statements that deal
>> with the range of issues confronting the Internet – and this one is the
>> only one I know of which was developed and adopted in a bottom-up
>> multistakeholder fashion. So I think what went on here was unique and
>> should not be lost from the historical record.
>>
>> As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of frustration
>> personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at Netmundial have
>> evolved since then. Personal data protection has definitely got a lot
>> worse, both from a surveillance point of view and also as regards use of
>> personal data for commercial purposes. And anyone trying to address these
>> issues,and particularly their transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by
>> a very cosy relationship between large internet corporations and a few key
>> large governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy access
>> to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate you”. Win-win
>> for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some fundamental rights to
>> privacy and freedom of expression.
>>
>> Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
>> cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
>> addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
>> effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder co-operation
>> we saw at Netmundial.
>>
>> So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to address
>> these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on emerging issues
>> in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the power of global internet
>> corporations are on a collision course where nobody wins. I have just
>> mentioned a few issues above, there are many more where I believe some
>> concerted action and co-operation would be beneficial.
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>> PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders and
>> denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I hear reports
>> of this happening, and certainly an application for US visa includes a
>> (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the details of your Facebook
>> and Twitter accounts. Practices like this are awful and should never become
>> widespread.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Seun Ojedeji
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
>> *To:* Marilyn Cade
>> *Cc:* discuss
>> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>>
>> Hello Marilyn, all
>>
>> You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps but
>> what will that be"?
>>
>> We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few points[1]
>> one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I wonder if that is
>> still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come alive again.
>>
>> Regards
>> 1. http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
>> Sent from my mobile
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on behalf
>>> of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
>>> *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
>>> *Cc:* discuss
>>> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>>>
>>> Dear Peter,
>>>
>>> As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of Internet
>>> history?
>>> 2. is the 1net.org domain & web site going to be archived too, beyond
>>> archive.org ?
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>> On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than faked mails
>>> with spam where all of us know they would never ever come from Patrik there
>>> seems to be no relevant traffic left here on the list. Unless some real
>>> human being tells me there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out
>>> in a few days.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Peter H. Hellmonds
>>> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
>>> +49 160 360 2852 <+49%20160%203602852>
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yo!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's what you
>>> were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a fake
>>> mail!!)
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