[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!

Mon Sep 4 12:00:49 UTC 2017

While the list is still alive... Hola tocayo,

Allow me to agree with you on the qauality of the work done in
NETmundial, and disagree on a possible follow-up process.

The idea of a NETmundial follow-up is not to rewrite the whole thing,
but to assess how the recommended principles and the roadmap are doing.
The road we are talking about is not static like a highway, it is
subject to significant and more or less rapid changes, with new key
issues emerging. I understand this is the idea Wolf has been defending.

Did we talk about ransomware, the blockchain or IoT in NETmundial, for
example? A full-text search of the event repository finds nothing on
these -- except for a single occurrence of the word "idiots" in a
personal message :-)

So I am in favor of a NETmundial+5 assessment event (and preparatory
process), I do hope we may be able to count on CGI.br to help us on this
(realistic pessimism aside), and I do not think it will need to cost as
much as the original event.

On 03/09/2017 03:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
> Dear Ian,
> 
> Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
> just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
> Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government
> and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)
> 
> Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
> appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs
> narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could
> be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far
> away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we
> can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided
> efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.
> 
> In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
> bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
> 
> Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
> be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier suggested.
> 
> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> Apartado 1571-1000
> San José COSTA RICA
> 
> On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to
>     report that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a
>     number of reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil
>     which wanted to distance itself from any achievements of the
>     previous government; but there were many other reasons as well. And
>     although some of us think a second Netmundial Conference would be
>     beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this underway.
>      
>     But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be
>     disbanded, I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have
>     some unique historical significance. There are not many global
>     statements that deal with the range of issues confronting the
>     Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which was
>     developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I
>     think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
>     historical record.
>      
>     As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of
>     frustration personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at
>     Netmundial have evolved since then. Personal data protection has
>     definitely got a lot worse, both from a surveillance point of view
>     and also as regards use of personal data for commercial purposes.
>     And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly their
>     transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy
>     relationship between large internet corporations and a few key large
>     governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy
>     access to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate
>     you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some
>     fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>      
>     Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
>     cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
>     addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
>     effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder
>     co-operation we saw at Netmundial.
>      
>     So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to
>     address these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on
>     emerging issues in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the
>     power of global internet corporations are on a collision course
>     where nobody wins. I have just mentioned a few issues above, there
>     are many more where I believe some concerted action and co-operation
>     would be beneficial.
>      
>     Ian Peter
>      
>     PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders
>     and denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I
>     hear reports of this happening, and certainly an application for US
>     visa includes a (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the
>     details of your Facebook and Twitter accounts. Practices like this
>     are awful and should never become widespread. 
>      
>      
>      
>      
>      
>      
>     *From:* Seun Ojedeji
>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
>     *To:* Marilyn Cade
>     *Cc:* discuss
>     *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>      
>     Hello Marilyn, all
>      
>     You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps
>     but what will that be"?
>      
>     We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few
>     points[1] one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I
>     wonder if that is still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come
>     alive again.
> 
>     Regards
>     1.
>     http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
>     <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html>
>     Sent from my mobile
>     Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>      
>     On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>     wrote:
> 
>         Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
> 
>          
> 
>         M
> 
> 
> 
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>         *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on
>         behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
>         *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
>         *Cc:* discuss
>         *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>          
>         Dear Peter,
> 
>         As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
> 
>         1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
>         Internet history?
>         2. is the 1net.org <http://1net.org> domain & web site going to
>         be archived too, beyond archive.org <http://archive.org> ?
> 
>         Warmest regards,
> 
>         Olivier
> 
>         On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
>>         Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than
>>         faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never
>>         ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic
>>         left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me
>>         there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few
>>         days. 
>>          
>>         Cheers
>>         Peter
>>
>>         Peter H. Hellmonds
>>         <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
>>         +49 160 360 2852 <tel:+49%20160%203602852>
>>
>>         On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>>
>>         Yo!
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's
>>         what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed) 
>>
>>         Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a
>>         fake mail!!)
>>
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