[discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
Carlos Afonso
ca at cafonso.ca
Mon Sep 4 12:00:49 UTC 2017
While the list is still alive... Hola tocayo,
Allow me to agree with you on the qauality of the work done in
NETmundial, and disagree on a possible follow-up process.
The idea of a NETmundial follow-up is not to rewrite the whole thing,
but to assess how the recommended principles and the roadmap are doing.
The road we are talking about is not static like a highway, it is
subject to significant and more or less rapid changes, with new key
issues emerging. I understand this is the idea Wolf has been defending.
Did we talk about ransomware, the blockchain or IoT in NETmundial, for
example? A full-text search of the event repository finds nothing on
these -- except for a single occurrence of the word "idiots" in a
personal message :-)
So I am in favor of a NETmundial+5 assessment event (and preparatory
process), I do hope we may be able to count on CGI.br to help us on this
(realistic pessimism aside), and I do not think it will need to cost as
much as the original event.
On 03/09/2017 03:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
> Dear Ian,
>
> Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It
> just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the
> Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government
> and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)
>
> Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an
> appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs
> narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could
> be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far
> away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we
> can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided
> efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.
>
> In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced
> bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.
>
> Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could
> be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier suggested.
>
> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> Apartado 1571-1000
> San José COSTA RICA
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to
> report that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a
> number of reasons; one of which was a change of government in Brazil
> which wanted to distance itself from any achievements of the
> previous government; but there were many other reasons as well. And
> although some of us think a second Netmundial Conference would be
> beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this underway.
>
> But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be
> disbanded, I do hope it is archived, because I think it does have
> some unique historical significance. There are not many global
> statements that deal with the range of issues confronting the
> Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which was
> developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I
> think what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the
> historical record.
>
> As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of
> frustration personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at
> Netmundial have evolved since then. Personal data protection has
> definitely got a lot worse, both from a surveillance point of view
> and also as regards use of personal data for commercial purposes.
> And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly their
> transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy
> relationship between large internet corporations and a few key large
> governments which seems to go along the lines of “give us easy
> access to your data for surveillance purposes, and we won’t regulate
> you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I believe losing some
> fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>
> Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
> cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being
> addressed in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed
> effectively without the sort of comprehensive multistakeholder
> co-operation we saw at Netmundial.
>
> So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to
> address these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on
> emerging issues in a world where nation state jurisdiction and the
> power of global internet corporations are on a collision course
> where nobody wins. I have just mentioned a few issues above, there
> are many more where I believe some concerted action and co-operation
> would be beneficial.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders
> and denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I
> hear reports of this happening, and certainly an application for US
> visa includes a (non-compulsory) question where you nominate the
> details of your Facebook and Twitter accounts. Practices like this
> are awful and should never become widespread.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Seun Ojedeji
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM
> *To:* Marilyn Cade
> *Cc:* discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>
> Hello Marilyn, all
>
> You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps
> but what will that be"?
>
> We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few
> points[1] one of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I
> wonder if that is still in the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come
> alive again.
>
> Regards
> 1.
> http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html
> <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html>
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again?
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* discuss-bounces at 1net.org <discuss-bounces at 1net.org> on
> behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM
> *To:* Peter H. Hellmonds
> *Cc:* discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:
>
> 1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
> Internet history?
> 2. is the 1net.org <http://1net.org> domain & web site going to
> be archived too, beyond archive.org <http://archive.org> ?
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:
>> Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than
>> faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never
>> ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic
>> left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me
>> there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few
>> days.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Peter
>>
>> Peter H. Hellmonds
>> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
>> +49 160 360 2852 <tel:+49%20160%203602852>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>>
>> Yo!
>>
>>
>>
>> Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's
>> what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)
>>
>> Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a
>> fake mail!!)
>>
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